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so that farmers like ray can compete in big ways. china. oh ... he got there. that's the power of and. good day everyone. i'm alex witt. it is high noon in the east. 9:00 a.m. out west. day 101 of the trump administration. we begin today with new reaction from psident trump to north korea's lates faid missile test. he says the move by north korea doesn't mean increased pressure isn't working. >> it has. this was a small missile. this was not a big missile. this was not a nuclear test, which he was expected to do three days ago. if he does a nuclear test i will not be happy. and i can tell you also, i don't believe that the president of china, who is a very respected man will be happy either.
>> not happy meaning military action >> we'll see. >> in an interview this morning senator john mccain disagreed with the president over his tweet yesterday saying north korea's missile test was disrespectful to china. >> as somebody said this could be a cuban missile crisis in slow motion. i disagreed with the president's tweet about north korea by continuing to test disrespecting china, they disrespected us and numerous agreements made by three previous presidents that was supposed to bring this process of their acquiring nuclear weapons and means to deliver them to a halt. president trump is leaving open the question of whether he'll be releasing his tax returns. the issue now a growing point of contention as congress takes his new tax reform plan under the microscope. >> you first said that you were under audit and wait until that was done about 14 months ago. seems like a long time. when do you think this might
happen. >> i don't know. i think it's pretty routine, to be honest with you. this on the heels of the president's 100 days in office. "the washington post" headlined in my first 100 days i kept my promise to americans and it reads in part, 100 days ago i took the oath of office and made a pledge. we're not merely going to transfer political party from one party to another but transnear power from washington, d.c. and give it back to the people. let's go now to kelly o'donnell. good sunday to you, kelly. let's talk about what else we learned from the white house. >> reporter: in many ways more typical sunday. donald trump went to the trump national golf club in virginia about a half hour from here. he'll thereabout for a few hours. we know he has some foreign leader phone calls today including with singapore.
and this interview is really kind of putting a period at the end of the sentence of a week of pushing towards 100 days. we had vice president mike pence on "meet the press". we saw the president on "face the nation". they capped this push to try to define their own 100 days in terms that they believe they have kept promises and are charting a course for things they want to do, even though by some other metrics it has not been as successful without a big signature piece of legislation, changing some of the positions on issues, having trouble getting, for example the immigration travel ban through. it's tied up in the courts. a mixed bag, perhaps. part of what the white house is trying to do is say that it's an artificial deadline and then there has to be a way to look at this down the line and one of the things in this week of interviews the president also said with reuters is that this job has been more difficult than he expected. in many ways anyone entering the
presidency may find that the enormity of the office is more difficult. it raids questions about what did the president mean by that? today vice president mike pence was asked that question by our own chuck todd. >> i don't know that he's found it harder. i think he's found the range of issues as president of the united states at home and abroad given the path of the last administration being particularly challenging. in so many ways as the president said the world is amess. he spent an awful lot of time the first 100 days re-engaging the world. >> reporter: and, alex, i look back at my own reporting when i covered president george w. bush. he talked even as the son of a vice president and president he found the oval office to be more challenging than he expected even as a two term governor, someone with governing experience. there's something about becoming president that really shakes the individual to be pushed in new
ways. for donald trump it was a more revealing kind of look inside his thinking that we don't always get. so we saw mike pence there making it a bit more about issues and maybe not so much about how the president feels about his own job. we learned so much from the president through his tweets but that was a window into president trump talking about his adjustment that we haven't heard so much about. >> there's a reason that they go in either four and eight years later coming out looking grayer and more worn. it's a 24/7 job. okay. >> reporter: huge responsibility. let's bring in democratic congressman adam schiff. glad to have you congressman. let's get to the top of the hour. we heard the president's response to north korea's latest provocations. he's not taking military action off the table. do you think we're headed down that path? >> i certainly hope not because there really are no good military options.
the north koreans can devastate south korea by the use of conventional artillery. it's appropriate for the administration to put pressure on china. china is a real key to choking off the economic lifeline for north korea. but an excess of saber rattling is very dangerous. we have an unpredictable leader in north korea. we don't want to provoke a confrontation that could result in a tremendous loss of life. and we also don't want to see the president back himself into a corner where if the north korean leader goes forward with uclear test or some other provocation that the president feels he needs to use military force or essentially lose face. so it's a very treacherous situation and i would urge the president to walk softly and carry a big stick. he doesn't need be brandishing the military option in a way that could provoke an unexpected escalation. >> i want to get your interpretation, sir, into what we heard from john mccain which
was reaction to the president's tweet saying the missile test was disrespectful to china. is there a strategic reason why the president said that? could he be trying distance himself from this situation? >> i think what he's trying to do is appeal to the chinese president to do more an by saying this isn't really criticism or reflection on the united states, it's a reflection on the chinese leader. i don't think that will work. it may be better than getting out and castcastigating the chi leader. i think what will resonate with china frankly more than a tweet suggesting this is a humiliation for the chinese president is to very matter of fact make it clear to china that if they don't crackdown on north korea we'll be forced to take steps to defend ourselves, defend our
allies in the region that china isn't going to want to see happen in terms of an acceleration of missile defense, greater naval presence and most potent of all imposition of secondary sanctions. let's get to the president's latest comments now about the trump-russia investigation. let's watch what he said first in an interview on friday. >> they called the fake russia story. russia story was made up because they were embarrassed by their loss and this tremendous loss, a loss like nobody has ever seen before. and not only did i win, i won easily. they made up this russia thing to try to deflect because they are embarrassed by what happened. >> congressman, have you seen enough that you're confident that statement will be prove convenient false through hard evidence? >> i think there's no question about it. the intelligence community is quite uniform in its conclusion
that russia was involved in hacking the election. i'll tell you what's most striking to me about the 100 days and the comments he's made just within the last 24 to 48 hours is day 101 looks a lot like day one. donald trump still in denial russians were involved in hacking our elections. he said on "face the nation" it could have between chinese. he's refusing to release his tax returns. he's still blaming obama for things opinion he's still bagging about the size of his electoral college win. this is all the same stuff we heard on day one. this is very discouraging because it suggests, more than suggests that this president is not growing with the job and we can expect the same thing on the first day of the administration, on the last day of this administration. and that, i think, is deeply discourage. >> where do you think the investigation into russia, those stands right now based on everything you've learned in the investigation? >> i can probably only talk about process at this point.
i can report, i think, and pleased to do so, we're back on track in the house intelligence committee. we're back to scheduling witnesses. we're reviewing additional documents. we're requesting additional documents. we're doing the steps we should be take steps we should be taking. that's very positive. we're looking into a range of issues including, obviously, issue of any coordination between the trump cpaign and russia but also the u.s. government response to the hacking. were we too lethargic how we dealt with it. we're looking at the issues of whether the intelligence community was right in its conclusion about why russia got involved in terms of hurting secretary clinton and helping donald trump. so i think we're proceeding much as we should be. >> i'm going to try and see if i can get you in a detail. based on something you said in an earlier interview when you said they used, for example, they used blackmail, compromising material, used
financial entanglement, hacking, dumping, they've used paid media trolls. some of these things we know they have used here. can you be specific as to what you know they've used here? >> i think it's quite clear from the public record that, obviously, they were deeply involved in hacking democratic institutions. that they were involved in the dumping of these documents through cut-outs like wikileaks, dc leaks. we know they had a very extensive media operation. we're investigating some of the other tactics that the russians have used elsewhere in terms of whether they have the explicit help of u.s. persons, whether they had compromising material, whether they used financial entanglement to get people to, you know, support policies that are favorable to russia. so these are issues that we're properly looking into. there are strategems that the
russians have used elsewhere. >> how about the hearings. sally yates is testifying for the first time along with others that include the former director of national intelligence, james clapper and james brennan. what do you expect to come out of these hearings? >> we have a couple of hearings that we have schedule or trying to schedule. we have one, a closed hearing with directors comey and remarks the director of the fbi and director of the nsa. they testified in open session. we'll have a closed hearing late next week with them so we can ask questions they weren't able to answer in open session. we also attempted to reschedule the open hearing with sally yates and clapper and brennan. we're in the process of talking with their team to try to set that up. of course, there's also a hearing that's going to go on with at least a couple of those witnesses in the senate. we're doing our best to coordinate. i think we'll learn more about
what went into michael flynn's firing. i think the public will learn a lot more about the nature of the russian intervention in our election and one of the reasons why i think the open hearings are so important is we can't conduct this investigation solely in private session and at some later point throw open the doors here's our report, america, believe it. we need to bring the country along with the investigation. let them understand in general outline who we're talking to, what issues we're exploring, what progress we're making to the degree we can, obviously some will have to be done in closed session. it's very important to keep the public informed the best we can. >> another big issue on your agenda you introduced a bill in congress this week which is aimed at formally authorizing military force against isis, aig and the taliban. is this in response to the 2001 umf. is that outdated. >> absolutely. this is something i've been trying to get a vote on for several years. tim kaine has been working on
the same issue in his respective house. but, unfortunately, you know, i think you have to lay a lot of the responsibility here with the obama administration. we're still using these old authorizations that don't fit the conflict we're in. indeed being used to use force against isis which didn't even exist at the time of 9/11 and the authorization we passed after 9/11 authorized force on those that attacked us. organization that didn't exist at the time doesn't fit. because obama administration massacre pretty it that way gives the trump administration free reign to do the same thing which puts little limit on the president's use of force against anyone associated with al qaeda or isis. that's a real problem in terms of providing a real check and balance by the congress on the executive branch and its ability to make war. i would hope we can take this up
or something like it that would repeal these old authorities that would set a new more limited authority and re-establish congress's role in declaring war or refusing to authorize war. >> do you at all worry that can also tie the hands of a president in an emergency situation? does it concern you at all? >> you know, it doesn't because in an emergency the president has the article ii power to do anything necessary to defend the country or to defend our troops overseas. so he has that inherent power. frankly far more worried we've given this president a blank check. while i have more confidence in the last president, the last president wouldn't abuse the blank connect i wouldn't want the last president to operate in that open ended authority. i certainly don't want this president to do so. i hope many of my republican colleagues would feel the same way and we can make this a strong bipartisan effort.
>> also good to see you, sir. thanks for your time. we're following breaking news for you. seven people have been killed by severe storms in multiple states. we go live to texas. where a huge twister caused widespread damage. welcome to you. i'm curious what it is like for you. looks like absolute devastation. >> reporter: that's right. people in east texas were warned storms were coming. and they did. about 6:00 p.m. yesterday three tornadoes ripped across three countries about 60 miles east of das. we're in the town of canton. this is a party venue. last night they were hosting a prom here. the storm hit at 6:30. had it hit at 7:00, there would have been 100 people in this party venue. as it was, there were 20 workers here, one of them is chris ingram. chris, you're lucky to be alive. you told me you saw the storm
coming. tell me what happened. >> yes, sir. about 5:30 we started getting warnings on our phone there was an imminent tornado maded in our direction. and i'm one of those that to step outside and see what's going on. i stepped outside on the southwest corner of the building. i saw an extremely dark cloud coming this direction. i knew when it got to about 300 yards away it was a direct hit. we ran back inside. hunkered down in the bathroom. rode it out. >> reporter: about 20 workers huddled inside that bathroom. what did you hear? >> well, it started making. we heard the wind pick up. then it just started, the whole building starting to shimmy and shake. big thud. i thought maybe part of the roof got torn off. it wasn't until we opened the door, i saw what had happened and it was surreal. >> reporter: this is what he in saw when they opened the door,
total devastation. across the area four people have died in the storm system that moved through last night. another 49 were injured. the sun is up now. nice clear day. brisk winds. people are out surveying the damage. they have been able to determine, authorities have that the storm was about a half mile wide and 15 miles long. that path of destruction through east texas. alex, big storm here and a big clean up too. >> can you put this in relation to dallas, how far are you from dallas? >> reporter: we're 60 miles east of dallas right on i-20 between dallas and tyler, texas. >> thank you very much for that report. white house intrigue, 101 days into president trump's term. what is it like behind doors in the early stages of any presidency. i'll ask a former chief of staff to president clinton next. hey richard, check out this fresh roasted flavor.
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if the media's job is to be honest and tell the truth then i think we would all agree the media deserves a very, very big fat failing grade. [ cheers and applause ] that was psidentrump in his 100 day rally in pennsylvania. joining me now is former white house chief of staff to president clinton. with a welcome to you. let's get right to it. you know president clinton also had at times a contentious relationship with the media but nothing quite like this. >> no, not at all. go ahead. >> do you think it's a good strategy to make the media the enemy? >> well, it's nothing new for a person running for office or a president in the oval office to have a contentious, sometimes disagreeable relationship with
the media, but you're right. president trump has really carried that to the next level. i think at the end of the day it may be effective from time to time particularly if some of the public feels some of the press coverage is unfair. but i think the bottom line is the president needs to look at unifying the country and trying to bring us together to move forward not loin as a nation but for his legislative agenda. that's his challenge. >> i think it's getting old. getting tired of hearing it. everybodies. one of the story lines that's dominating the president's first 100 days, the so far palace intrigue in the white house. are power struggles common behind-the-scenes? >> this is nothing new. there are stories about the team of rivals president lincoln and every white house i think has different power centers. there's nothing new about that. however, i think what is different is this one has seemed to play out more publicly.
you do have the president's children and son-in-law in the white house. that's a different dynamic that we've not seen since president kennedy. i think the way news is reported today you have more focus on this than ever before. we tried to work very hard in the clinton administration, i like to think we largely succeeded at building a culture of cooperation. but, you do want different opinions in the white house. the job of any chief of staff including reince priebus is to take those opinions and present them fairly and objectively to the president. >> but, if it's different and if it's worse with this white house in terms of the news get thought or the stories getting out there is that because there are just a whole bunch of leaks in this white house? i mean how is it that the media gets this information? >> well, leaks are certainly a part of it. i think there's a lot of investigative reporting going on. the president's style, alex, is very aggressive to state the
obvious here. and he seems to, at least in his business career have one opinion pitted against the other. that's one thing in business. i come from the business sector, both a fourth generation now family business and a public company. it's very different in the oval office and the white house. >> so andy card, white house chief of staff to president george w. bush he talked yesterday about the importance of the president's inner circle. let's listen to that. >> the job is tough, and if the job -- if the president is making an easy decision they are wasting their time. other people in government can make easy decision on government. the president makes the toughest decisions and has to live with the consequences of those decisions. >> was this your experience in the clinton white house? >> it certainly was. i know andy. i like and respect him greatly. he's a great friend. he had it right. harry truman had it right when he said the buck stops here. what andy is referring to you
want the difficult, the presidential calls to get to the oval office for the president to make. other decisions can be made either in the white house working level or even better yet in the cabinet. what you want is differing points of views on the critical issues of the day whether they be international or economic or domestic issues. but once that decision is made and this goes to your earlier point about white house intrigue once that decision is made it's incumbent to close ranks and support that decision. that's what's going to be a real test for this white house, i think. >> what should be the big decisions? we've seen trump give more autonomy to military generals and then we see a huge bomb dropped on afghanistan. >> well, i think general mcmaster who is the head of the national security council is very committed to having the tactical decisions made by the military and certain decisions made by the state department, other cabinet agencies.
i think that's the way it should work. but i think at the end of the day, alex, any president is judged by peace and i would say now security and prosperity. those are the big decisions that gets to the oval office and, of course, the most sacred responsibility is the security of the american people. those are procedural designates. >> all right. so good to see you. thank you for joining me. >> my pleasure. >> president trump marking his 100th day milestone with supporters at a pennsylvania rally poking fun at the media. who ultimately won the night? you don't let anything
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midwest killing three others in missouri and arkansas. let's get new reaction from the president today after saturday's rally in pennsylvania marking his 100th day in office. president choosing to make that speech instead of going the white house correspondent's dinner. here's what he had to say today when asked about what he's learned about so far? >> well, one of the things i learned is how dishonest the media is. >> joining me now is "new york times" reporter jeremy peters. a big old sigh, okay. who won, donald trump or the media? >> certainly, i think what donald trump said one of the things he has learned is how dishonest the media is. he's been saying this for years. this was a center argument of his candidacy, his very anti-establishment, anti-'lelit establishment.
journalists walking into these glittering parties and the president of the united states in pennsylvania rallying his faithful support serious a scene that the white house wanted to very much to tell. >> okay. last night jeff mason also the head of the white house correspondent's association had this to say. here he is. >> we are not fake news. [ applause ] we are not failing news organizations. and we are not the enemy of the american people. >> do you think, jeff, or anyone should even be dignifying these remarks by the president by defending the media? >> it's a hard situation to put yourself in. as a swrournlist there's always discomfort with becoming the story. donald trump has made us the story. he's made us a political argument in a way that arguably no president has in recent memory. so, yes, there has to be some
push back. you've seen this from some organizations, more forcefully than others. but, i mean, donald trump, of course, understands both the power of his anti-media argument and his need to be in the press all the time and have relationships with the reporters he so often maligns. there is no president in recent memory who spends more time on the phone with reporters, more time in interviews with them. so this is an ironic case he's making. >> as you know the president wrote the headline, an op-ed, here it is and struck a populist theme writing no longer will we listen to the same failed vois of the past who brought us nothing but war overseas, poverty at home and loss of companies, jobs and our wealth
to countries that have taken total advantage of the united states. >> it's not a conservative or liberal argument. this is what trump ran on. this is what got trump elected in states like pennsylvania. that america is no longer first. no longer putting its interests ahead of global interests. i do think that while there is a certain disconnect, as you point out between how americans feel the country is generally going in the right direction and donald trump's dark portrayal of it, no doubt that his base feels that the country is woefully off track and his whole promise kept tag line, stamped on banners and posters that's what he needs to convey he's keeping his promises and so far they believe he is. >> vice president mike pence spoke this morning about health care. let's take a listen to that. >> i think health care reform,
repealing, replacing obamacare is just around the corner. >> so the gop delayed that vote this week because they don't seem to have the votes. when do you think this vote will be taken? >> it could come this week. i know the white house very badly wanted it to happen this weekend or even on friday. that did not happen. so, i think there's going tremendous pressure to get this done. and almost -- it's almost as if the details matter less than having the actual vote and passage in the house and then they worry about the senate later. i think that the president and his aides are really hungry for an accomplishment, a signature piece of legislation with the president's stamp of approval on it to get through a house of congress. what happens after that i think they are less concerned about. >> always good to talk to you. thank you. remembering the l.a. riots 25 years later. i'll talk with the reporter who covered it from the very
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since the riots broke out in los angeles, and for you police officers were acquitted in the beating of rodney king, one of the first police beatings to be caught on videotape. it lasted for days with more than 50 people killed. 2,000 injured. and 12,000 arrested. here's tom brokaw anchoring nbc's coverage of the los angeles riots back in 1992. >> reporter: what's happened since policemen accused beating rodney king being acquitted have stunned the nation. >> a frustration with the justice system. >> we all can get along. we just got to -- we're all stuck here for a while. let's try to work it out. >> reporter: the rodney king verdict may have lit the match but the streets were more tha
ready to explode. >> nbc's ron allen covered these events a quarter of century ago. he joins us right now. i remember the phrase can't we all just get along. i'm curious about you at the trial, ron. first of all the verdict. did that come as a big surprise? >> i was pretty stunned the officers were not found guilty of something. of course they later were in a federal trial some of them, some of the charges they were found guilty on. when you looked at it closely day-by-day you can see how the defense did an excellent job of taking the emotion out of that tape and by slowing it down, by freezing frames and by really making rodney king the demon, the dangerous thug and the jury believed it. remember the jury was from suburban los angeles. it wasn't simi valley. not a jury from urban los angeles. they saw it differently. that's one of the big things that happened as a result of that trial and the riots which
many people call a rebellion is it raised awareness. rodney king before people saw that tape obviously a lot of grievances with the police. nobody believed it. there you saw it. and that's why people really were, really were disappointed, angry, frustrated when the officers weren't found guilty of something. >> the speed which the riots, the rebellion whatever you want to call it happened this was before social media. today this could happen, you understand it gets mobilized. were you surprised? >> this was on live tv. remember those dramatic pictures at the intersection from a helicopter and a truck driver being pulled out and beaten senselessly at some point. people were watching this. they were watching the trial. this had been going on for weeks and weeks. a lot of anticipation. but i think what's really important here is it wasn't just rodney king in the trial and the incident it was years and years
if not decades of grievance of people angry about poverty, unemployment, poor housing, poor education. remember riots, uprisings back in 1965 in watts, the watts section of los angeles. same thing. police stop. discrimination. so on and so forth. this continues. and the rodney king situation and the riots, rebellion of '92 were a stop on a continuum. you could argue we talk about things like ferguson, michael brown case and baltimore, cleveland, other places, some of the dynamics are still the same down to present day. >> ron, thank you very much. a pleasure to have you still here. >> i was a child reporter. >> yes, you were. we'll also had have the director of a documentary "l.a. 92" to talk about it too. donald trump biographer will join me next to talk about fortunate's rally and what he
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magic. what did you see? >> well i saw a president who was the happiest we've seen him since the campaign, really. he was back in his element in the moment away from handlers, away from the white house and all the counter vailing forces of the government in washington. he was having himself a ball. he was enjoying the back and forth with the crowd. he was also testing the crowd to see if they were okay with his flexibility w-his reversing himself on so many of his promises and they were right with him. >> i know you reported on mr. trump for quite a while. you wrote a book about him before the election. what changes have you seen. behavior. to policies. his view of the country and the world. >> not a lot of change. this is a 70-year-old man whose run his business and life very much the same way for more than half a century. not much likelihood he would be changing at this point. he's dealing with a different kind of business and in recent
days he's been very honest about saying how much hard they are job turned out to be than he expected. but the kind of, what we would say about a normal politician flip flops, reversal of policies, reversals of his intention, pulling back on his promises that's second nature to donald trump. he's taken great pride as someone who will go wherever the facts take him and getting to the bottom line rather than stoic any policies or principles or values. >> in february you wrote the persona more than the contents of his concern. that's how you're explaining why the president can flipflop on issues. this is a job that gets judged on outcomes. there's legacy that will go down in history. do you think he's learning how to use his persona to get results? >> he's using his persona to remain popular, to market himself, market his brand. that's what he's always been
good at. the idea he would be trying put through a particular set of policies that's really nothing that he's ever been terribly interested in. so we're seeing, again, where if something doesn't work on health care, he'll completely remake the model. if his tax reform that he's heading into now doesn't turn out to work with politicians in washington, he'll reverse course on that too. that's his pattern. >> i'm curious because this president uses language in a different way than any other modern president. he labels his opponents with nicknames. he uses catch phrases like fake news, america first. not shining away from the frafz islamic radical terrorism. how is this language changing national politics? >> he loves being a provocateur. he'll continue to use that language. puts other politicians in a change spot pup see them trying to change the way they use
language. you see the democratic chairman tom perez using curse words in public. you see a number of politicians getting much more lax with thei. you even see it in the media, as well. a lot of newscasts have moved in that direction, so there is a kind of coarsening the language he's leading and others are following, but it's something that the crowd absolutely loved, and we saw that last night in the attacks on the press and on hollywood actors, that got, you know, just the high points for the crowd of the evening. >> but are you with me in thinking -- i'm editorializing here, but maybe we should just let him speak that way because it's not really working for others? i mean, it works for him in one regard, but let's let him do that. >> well, certainly if the whole country goes down the road of speaking as coarsely and roughly as he sometimes does, that's a kind of standards that probably
very few people would like to see, but in talking to people in the crowd in harrisburg last night, quite a few of them unsolicited said what i love about him is he talks like me and my buddies do, and even those who were upset about his reversal on the wall or were worried about him going off in a different course on policy, they always came back to the way he talks. he sounds like us and we appreciate that. >> okay. marc fisher, thank you so much. good to speak with you. a day of marches as the president marked his milestone. is there permanent protest class that will dog this president until his last day in office? and if so, what will it accomplish? ♪ ♪
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president trump last night in harrisburg, pennsylvania, rallying the faithful on his 100th day in office as members of the media gathered in washington without him at a toned down white house correspondents' dinner. joining me now, democratic national committee chairman howard dean and republican strategist susan del percio. as always, good to see you, my friends, on a sunday. ladies first here with you, susan. last night, certainly a study in contrast. who do you think won the night? >> actually, i think it was donald trump that won the night in that he got to have the media report what he wanted, him at a rally, and it was in such stark contrast to the correspondents' dinner, which he would label as the washington swamp and black tie and there he was with his supporters, with people, as he would say, real people in pennsylvania, and that really was fitting the narrative he wanted to have. >> you heard marc fisher saying he was happy, first time he's seen him happy since the campaign. same to you, howard, who do you
think won last night? >> it's hard to do what donald trump did. he basically came out of a tie 0-0, nobody is sympathetic with that dinner. i've been to those dinners and they are really ghastly and i haven't gone for many years. there's no sympathy there. the trouble is, you had people screaming at the trump rally lock her up, lock her up about hillary clinton. that is not going to fly. marc fisher may be right, people at the rally saying he talks like us, we like him. at most 36% of the population, probably a lot less than that, i would guess. i don't think he did himself any favors. i think he just scared the hell out of a lot of middle of the roaders. >> howard, how much do you think he could pivot with activists, protesters who have all galvanized under the president? can you argue this permanent protest class is not really giving him a chance? protesting just for the sake of trying to delegitimize the presidency. >> i don't think that's why they are protesting. i mean, if he undoes the paris
agreement, that is an attack on everybody under the age of 35 in this world that's going to be afraid to have children. these protests are not because donald trump is obnoxious, which i'll grant that he is, these protests are because these under 35, under 40-year-old groups, their world is being attacked by this guy that got in there with a minority of the vote and they are scared to death and they are furious, and i don't blame them. >> but at the same time it would be a mistake for the democrats to consider them their voters or their supporters. let's not forget the leader -- >> i agree with that. >> bernie sanders just recently said he is not a democrat. he's an independent, a progressive, but he won't even align himself with the democratic party. the permanent protesters, as you call them, are very hard to kind of navigate and figure out where to use them politically, much like the occupy wall street folks were back five years ago. >> and susan, do you think it's -- >> the difference, though, susan, between occupy wall street is they were totally
disorganized and have no plan. these folks have a plan and are getting organized. i absolutely agree with you, it's our big dilemma is they are not democrats. >> right. okay, i'm going to leave it right there, you are in agreement. howard and susan, good to see you both. at the top of the hour, with 101 days in office, is president trump superman or wizard of oz? next why we all need to pay attention to the man behind the curtain. the future, what's her problem? apparently, i kept her up all night. she said t future kser out. how come no one likes me, jim? intel does! just think of everything intel's doing right now with artificial intelligence. and pretty soon ai is going to help executives like her see trends to stay ahead of her competition. no more sleepless nights. - we're going to be friends! - i'm sorry about this. don't be embarrassed of me, jim. i'm getting excited about this! we know the future. we're going to be friends! because we're building it. try new flonase sensimistgies.
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